The Presidents

[ironspoke]

The History Channel program about the US Presidents is really good in my opinion. They have been running it as of late because of the holiday. It may not be perfect but its another snapshot of the men who have held the office. Plus the narrator is that guy who has done a ton of stuff for the History Channel. He's done a ton of stuff because he is good.

Trivia

Who was the first president to ride in a car, go underwater in a submarine and fly in a plane?

[50 Mission Cap]

The History Channel program about the US Presidents is really good in my opinion. They have been running it as of late because of the holiday. It may not be perfect but its another snapshot of the men who have held the office. Plus the narrator is that guy who has done a ton of stuff for the History Channel. He's done a ton of stuff because he is good.

Trivia

Who was the first president to ride in a car, go underwater in a submarine and fly in a plane?


Harding? Or maybe another one of those 1920's guys... Coolidge maybe?

I was watching that earlier today. I love presidential history. Read McCullough's books on Truman and Adams. You should totally check those out spoke. I think some one has done a comprehensive president's book that goes through the history much like the show does.

[rockhound]

Who was the first president to ride in a car, go underwater in a submarine and fly in a plane?

My guess is Teddy Roosevelt (pronounced Rooz-a-velt).

[mimbresman]

President Taft

[ironspoke]

Hound wins the 3 rooms of carpeting and the selection from the Speigel catalogue. Now Teddy left office in 1909. I'd actually be curious of air safety back then. There is no way in hell that we would ever allow the president today to do something that a large percentage of the people who tried it ended up getting killed.

TRex is my favorite president. I'm also a huge fan of Truman and Reagan. Also, there can be no arguing with Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln. The people who did Mt. Rushmore DID get it right.

[Teamfubar]

Who was the first president to ride in a car?
William McKinley, 25th President: 1897-1901; He also was the first president to campaign by telephone.

go underwater in a submarine?
Harry S. Truman, 33rd President: 1945-1953

fly in a plane?
Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President 1901-1909: Teddy was the first ex-president to fly in a plane, which he flew in one of the Wright Bros. biplanes in 1910, after he was out of office.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President: 1933-1945: FDR was the first president to fly while in office.

So, if you say Roosevelt, you're right...:D

[Teamfubar]

Also, there can be no arguing with Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln. The people who did Mt. Rushmore DID get it right.

Having lived in the Black Hills of South Dakota, I would disagree with that...I think it was a waste of a beautiful mountain, and honestly, do you really think T. Roosevelt would have approved of carving his face into a beautiful mountain? He spent time in Custer State Park just south of Mt. Rushmore and I am betting he saw the mountain in its original state. I would imagine this natural state would have been his choice as a monument to him.

[rockhound]

Having lived in the Black Hills of South Dakota, I would disagree with that...I think it was a waste of a beautiful mountain, and honestly, do you really think T. Roosevelt would have approved of carving his face into a beautiful mountain? He spent time in Custer State Park just south of Mt. Rushmore and I am betting he saw the mountain in its original state. I would imagine this natural state would have been his choice as a monument to him.

I don't think George would have gone for it either. They didn't even want President's pictures on our money.

[50 Mission Cap]

Having lived in the Black Hills of South Dakota, I would disagree with that...I think it was a waste of a beautiful mountain, and honestly, do you really think T. Roosevelt would have approved of carving his face into a beautiful mountain? He spent time in Custer State Park just south of Mt. Rushmore and I am betting he saw the mountain in its original state. I would imagine this natural state would have been his choice as a monument to him.


Yes, but wasn't it more of a depression era work project? Perhaps he'd agree w/ putting people to work in a bleak time....

[ironspoke]

William McKinley, 25th President: 1897-1901; He also was the first president to campaign by telephone.


Harry S. Truman, 33rd President: 1945-1953


Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President 1901-1909: Teddy was the first ex-president to fly in a plane, which he flew in one of the Wright Bros. biplanes in 1910, after he was out of office.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President: 1933-1945: FDR was the first president to fly while in office.

So, if you say Roosevelt, you're right...:D

Thanks for the info. I was curious if he was the first sitting president to do so or exactly when he flied.


Regarding the Mt Rushmore thing that is a bit of a toss-up. You are correct that those presidents would be horrified to see their faces carved into a mountain but then again they would be horrified to see how much power the governemnt has accumulated in the past 100 years. Government health care???? Are you kidding me?

Its interesting about some of the things TRex was involved with ie the Panama Canal. He apparently viewed the construction of the canal as an issue of national security and it makes sense when you think about having the ability of getting our ships from one side of the nation to the other. Very conventional warfare type stuff. The principles are the same then as they are today. He felt the USA had the responsibilty to lead the free world. Nation building...foreign wars..dealing with tin horn dictators...all in the interest of national security.

What I meant about the people who did Mt. Rushmore was that whoever decided that these 4 guys were the ones who should be there...they did a good job selecting them.

[50 Mission Cap]

Thanks for the info. I was curious if he was the first sitting president to do so or exactly when he flied.


Regarding the Mt Rushmore thing that is a bit of a toss-up. You are correct that those presidents would be horrified to see their faces carved into a mountain but then again they would be horrified to see how much power the governemnt has accumulated in the past 100 years. Government health care???? Are you kidding me?

Its interesting about some of the things TRex was involved with ie the Panama Canal. He apparently viewed the construction of the canal as an issue of national security and it makes sense when you think about having the ability of getting our ships from one side of the nation to the other. Very conventional warfare type stuff. The principles are the same then as they are today. He felt the USA had the responsibilty to lead the free world. Nation building...foreign wars..dealing with tin horn dictators...all in the interest of national security.

What I meant about the people who did Mt. Rushmore was that whoever decided that these 4 guys were the ones who should be there...they did a good job selecting them.

Washington since he was first, Jefferson b/c of the louisiana purchase, teddy b/c of all of his conservation efforts and lincoln - the great emancipator.

[RepublicanSS]

i was in hill city last june for a vacation and visited mt. rushmore, the badlands and custer state park. a beautiful area. i guess one positive is that people come there to view mt. rushmore and see other things like mentioned above. i wanted to see the badlands and saw rushmore when there.

the black hill are really something, especially for a florida boy. i enjoyed my stay, by the way ironspoke is right, they made a good choice. didn't trosevelt shoot a lot of buffalo?

lincoln had a hard time, i think he would appreciate the fact that we consider his presidency a success and have his likeness carved into the mountain. just as one day we will w's war on terrorism (not domestic items).

[Jay13]

lincoln had a hard time, i think he would appreciate the fact that we consider his presidency a success and have his likeness carved into the mountain. just as one day we will w's war on terrorism (not domestic items).

I vomited a little into my mouth when I read that last part... Sad. :eek:

[mscotch]

just as one day we will w's war on terrorism (not domestic items).

vomit or no, I somehow feel the same, SS.

[mscotch]

Having lived in the Black Hills of South Dakota, I would disagree with that...I think it was a waste of a beautiful mountain, and honestly, do you really think T. Roosevelt would have approved of carving his face into a beautiful mountain? He spent time in Custer State Park just south of Mt. Rushmore and I am betting he saw the mountain in its original state. I would imagine this natural state would have been his choice as a monument to him.

I don't think George would have gone for it either. They didn't even want President's pictures on our money.

didn't seem to stop the Native Americans, Indians or whatever is PC nowadays. See the Crazy Horse thingy?

[Teamfubar]

didn't seem to stop the Native Americans, Indians or whatever is PC nowadays. See the Crazy Horse thingy?

Crazy Horse is not being built by Native Americans. It is being built by a Polish family (Korczak Ziolkowski). I know plenty of Lakota that are against Crazy Horse too. I just think it is a bit arrogant to think we "own" nature enough to chop it up into memorials of ourselves. I didn't bring up Crazy Horse before because we were talking about presidents and their likeness on that rock in South Dakota.

It will be interesting to see what time and history has to say about GWB. Not being a huge GWB fan, I would say any sitting President would have had to respond in similar fashion to what GWB did, but maybe not take it as far.

During Lincoln's time, he was kind of the "Jimmy Carter" of the day. Not necessarily thought of well but time and history have been kind to him, much like the Peanut President.

[davkatreb]

i guess one positive is that people come there to view mt. rushmore
And this is good because...?

[ironspoke]

It will be interesting to see what time and history has to say about GWB. Not being a huge GWB fan, I would say any sitting President would have had to respond in similar fashion to what GWB did, but maybe not take it as far.

During Lincoln's time, he was kind of the "Jimmy Carter" of the day. Not necessarily thought of well but time and history have been kind to him, much like the Peanut President.


Fubar you are certainly not known on this forum to be a hard right person so your comments above are a bit refreshing. Thank you for conceeding that its easy to sit back and play Monday morning QB. Any sitting president would have had to respond in a similar fashion. Its sickening to listen to people IGNORE the comments made about Saddam by the likes of Gore, Clinton, Kerry, Albright, etc.


We will agree to disagree about Carter. I think he was a total failure and I think that even though some Lefties on the world stage love him as well as many card carrying members of Hamas, he is still kind of thought of as a joke here in the USA. His efforts after he left office regarding building houses and such are tremendous but he should have stopped there. Some of his words have been hugely irresponsible.

Remember that when Reagan left office HE had also been largely thrown under the bus as well. If I hear "I'm a Reagan Conservative" one more time I may end up puking. I think the guy was amazing and I think he was spot on most of the time. He wasnt perfect but no one is.

Except maybe Kennedy or Clinton.:rolleyes:

I think that history will judge W WAY better than how he is looked at today. See the recent comments from Bob Geldoff. See the looming victory in Iraq. See his 'Green' place in Crawford.

[Teamfubar]

Fubar you are certainly not known on this forum to be a hard right person so your comments above are a bit refreshing. Thank you for conceeding that its easy to sit back and play Monday morning QB. Any sitting president would have had to respond in a similar fashion. Its sickening to listen to people IGNORE the comments made about Saddam by the likes of Gore, Clinton, Kerry, Albright, etc.

IS,

Bottom line, I am an American, not a Democrat or a Republican or anything else. While I agree more with the Left than the Right, I also believe that you can't be objective about something while in the middle of it. Shit, during WWII, there were draft dodgers and protests. Do we hear about that anymore? No. Why? Because history has judged WWII and its outcome as just, so the "bad" stuff that went on during the war is swept under the rug. So, while I disagree with Iraq and a lot of the stuff of W's presidency, I don't think a person can fairly judge right now.

On the other side of it, I just got back from the doctor. I've been running a fever for a few days. Maybe that is why I said what I did...:eek:

[50 Mission Cap]

IS,

Bottom line, I am an American, not a Democrat or a Republican or anything else. While I agree more with the Left than the Right, I also believe that you can't be objective about something while in the middle of it. Shit, during WWII, there were draft dodgers and protests. Do we hear about that anymore? No. Why? Because history has judged WWII and its outcome as just, so the "bad" stuff that went on during the war is swept under the rug. So, while I disagree with Iraq and a lot of the stuff of W's presidency, I don't think a person can fairly judge right now.

On the other side of it, I just got back from the doctor. I've been running a fever for a few days. Maybe that is why I said what I did...:eek:

Agreed. People hated Harry Truman and thought him to be completely incapable during his presidency. From a modern perspective, he made many good long term decisions that people judged him for during that time. History will prove / condemn W's presidency.

And honestly, I'm no democrat or republican either, but I'm really tired w/ all these hipster people who are so quick to judge the guy. I mean, he has an extraordinarily tough job and responsibility the likes of which we will never experience. What the hell is the guy supposed to do? Sit on his ass while these bastards are flying planes into our buildings?

[Hand/of/Midas]

you know, this is the first political thread ive seen that is a nice happy place. no stones being thrown really.and its a good conversation. group hug.

[rockhound]

didn't seem to stop the Native Americans, Indians or whatever is PC nowadays.

Most of the Indians I speak with don't mind being called Indian. If ever there were a people who got the short end of the stick...

[mscotch]

Crazy Horse is not being built by Native Americans. It is being built by a Polish family (Korczak Ziolkowski).
I think the Native Americans were/are pretty involved. Apparently, as you stated, over time there seems to be some negative concerns over the project.
taken from their website:
Sculptor Korczak Ziolkowski and Lakota Chief Henry Standing Bear officially started Crazy Horse Memorial June 3, 1948. The Memorial's mission is to honor the culture, tradition and living heritage of North American Indians.

to learn more (http://www.crazyhorse.org/story.shtml)

taken from wikipedia, for what it's worth:
The mountain carving was begun in 1948 by sculptor Korczak Ziolkowski, who had worked on Mt. Rushmore under Gutzon Borglum. In 1939, Ziolkowski had received a letter from Chief Henry Standing Bear, which stated in part "My fellow chiefs and I would like the white man to know that the red man has great heroes, too."

I find it had to believe that Chief Henry Standing Bear acted alone. I would imagine a few of his brothers must have agreed with him to have the mountain carved up, but maybe not.

[rockhound]

The Memorial's mission is to honor the culture, tradition and living heritage of North American Indians.


The feds should get rid of Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill for the same reason.

[Cricket]

didn't seem to stop the Native Americans, Indians or whatever is PC nowadays. See the Crazy Horse thingy?
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[mscotch]

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[mscotch]

IS,

Bottom line, I am an American, not a Democrat or a Republican or anything else. While I agree more with the Left than the Right, I also believe that you can't be objective about something while in the middle of it. Shit, during WWII, there were draft dodgers and protests. Do we hear about that anymore? No. Why? Because history has judged WWII and its outcome as just, so the "bad" stuff that went on during the war is swept under the rug. So, while I disagree with Iraq and a lot of the stuff of W's presidency, I don't think a person can fairly judge right now.

On the other side of it, I just got back from the doctor. I've been running a fever for a few days. Maybe that is why I said what I did...:eek:

if anyone is interested, USA Today has a little pro and con on this topic on page 11A. They even mention Rushmore...

[ironspoke]

you know, this is the first political thread ive seen that is a nice happy place. no stones being thrown really.and its a good conversation. group hug.

Screw you!!

Just kidding of course.

And I wonder if we all checked our shit at the door because this is the EC thread and not the Political thread.

I 1000% agree that it is way too close to look at W and determine him to either be a success or failure. Personally I believe he will come out on the right side of history and to be frank I HOPE he does as well. There are many who are vested in seeing him and his poilicies fail.

I find it interesting in that Presidents special that the historians sometimes reference that this one or that one has seen their stock rising or falling in recent years. That I dont necessarily agree with. I mean they mention for instance that Grant has been looked at way more favorably in recent years. The guy has been out of office for what..140 years give or take. I think thats a bit long and at that point historians are merely bringing their points of view into the picture more than what the guy actually did in office. For the people on this forum we really can only go back to Kennedy or maybe Ike, but for the most part if you are 40 (probably a good round number to use) then you may have a vague memory of Nixon or Ford but you really dont remember anything prior to Carter. Think about it for a second...there are a ton of people on this forum who can only remember Clinton and W.

They have zero idea of what a bad economy really looks like and zero idea of what an evil enemy the former USSR really was. They also dont remember the pending doom of Global Cooling. ;)